Joe Rogan and Michael Bisping Discuss Steroids in MMA

On Joe Rogan Experience MMA Show #52, Joe Rogan and MMA legend Michael Bisping discussed the prevalence of steroids in MMA. Below are some highlights of their conversation.

Michael Bisping on His Lack of Steroid Use

[I’ve] never tested positive in my life. Let me tell you something, I’m not a guy that scours the back of everything I read. I’m a careless [person]. I really am. I wish I wasn’t, but I am. I’m just going through my life doing what I do. I’ve been tested a million times, never come close. Some of the guys, they blow up the lab. There’s no smoke without fire. You know what I’m saying?”

Joe Rogan and Michael Bisping
Joe Rogan and Michael Bisping

Joe Rogan on Steroid Use in MMA

“I remember there was talk years back, before USADA, there was talk of certain camps that would hire guys who knew testing. And these guys would orchestrate a program for these fighters to make sure that they didn’t get caught. They would figure out ways to taper off but still keep your gains and make sure that you didn’t test positive at all. And this was done under the assumption that everyone else was cheating as well. And for a long time that was how a lot of people viewed the sport. There [were] guys like you, BJ Penn, there [were] a few guys that you just knew weren’t going to do anything. It was their word. They said they were never going to do anything, and they never looked like they did anything. You always maintained the exact same physique throughout your entire career.”

Michael Bisping and Joe Rogan
Michael Bisping and Joe Rogan

Michael Bisping on TRT Therapy in MMA

“Well, the thing is, I think, where it started getting a little weird, and I don’t want to bang on about steroids too much, because that’s been a narrative that…I’ve said my piece about that. I don’t want to bang on about it too much. But I think where the waters really got murky is when TRT came in. Testosterone replacement therapy became a thing, and all you had to do was go to your doctor and said, hey, I can’t get a hard on or whatever and all of a sudden, they sign you off on TRT.”

TRT Vitor Belfort
TRT Vitor

Joe Rogan and Michael Bisping on “TRT Vitor”

Joe: “Well, we talked about TRT Belfort, TRT Vitor Belfort, when he was on TRT he was a different kind of human being. He was just completely different than he is in any other circumstances.”

Michael: “Oh yeah, looking back, you can see that. I mean, because when I fought him, I fought him on TRT.” 

Joe: “You fought him when he was Super Vitor.”

Michael: “Absolutely. Looked like the Incredible Hulk.”

Joe: “He had butt muscles on his eyebrows.” 

Michael: “Yeah, looking back you can see that. But at the time, as a fighter, you can’t think like that. You know what I mean?”

Michael Bisping vs. TRT Belfort
Michael Bisping vs. TRT Vitor

Michael Bisping on “TRT Vitor”

“I remember there was a picture of us both on the scale in Brazil. And looking back now, he is huge. Anyone else would think, ‘He’s kind of big, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.’ But you don’t think like that at the time. You can’t as a fighter. If you start having those thoughts, those doubts, you start looking at a fighter’s physique and thinking, ‘Oh, he looks good.’ You’ve already lost. But in hindsight, you can look back and say, ‘What was I thinking? This guy is roided out of his mind.’

“I remember on there, I was trying to get a rise out of him, and he kept putting his hand in my face. I’m not a religious guy, and God bless anyone that is. I mean that I respect everyone’s opinions, but I’m not, and as we know, Vitor is heavily religious, and he kept sticking his fist in my face, and he was pissing me off. So, I said, ‘Vitor, come here, come here.’ And he leans in, and I said, ‘There is no Jesus.” Maybe there is, maybe there isn’t. [Maybe] me getting dropped with a head kick in the second round, maybe that was God thwarting me, who knows?”

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