On episode 1622 of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe Rogan had a very interesting conversation with former Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell about Jocko Willink and David Goggins. As we explain below, there are a number of valuable lessons that can be taken from this entertaining conversation.
Who is Jocko Willink?
Jocko is a former United States Navy Seal and co-authored a New York Times bestseller titled:“How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win.”
Who is David Goggins?
David is also a former United States Navy SEAL, but he is also the only person to complete the elite training programs for all three branches: U.S. Navy SEAL training, U.S. Army Ranger School, and U.S. Air Force Tactical Air Controller training.
They Never Stop Training
Joe starts with a small look into just how motivated Jocko Willink is in everyday life:
“Jocko’s listening to metal at 4:30 in the morning, and he’s doing dips and muscle ups.”
It’s not surprising when you hear Jocko speak because the man always seems to be hyped up on a whole other level. Luttrell then goes on to talk about David Goggins and how he is always pushing him.
“He’ll never stop running. I don’t think he can. He might be one of the hardest dudes on the planet.”
Both men excel in their goals because they dedicate so much time to training. It’s really incredible.
David Goggins is Fuel to Inspire Other People
According to Joe Rogan, David’s motivation doesn’t just stop with himself. He tries to lift up everyone around him.
“Goggins will send me text messages out of nowhere [that read]: ‘I’m just letting you know to stay hard.’”
According to Rogan, David Goggins claims to feel something moving through him that pushes him to his maximum every single day. Maybe people might see it as hyperbolic, but not Joe:
“It sounds like it’s an exaggeration, but I don’t think it is. I think there’s something that’s moving through him that is forcing other people to action. It makes him greater than just an individual. It makes him almost like an antenna. He’s beaming in the power of discipline and the benefit that it has on a human being.”
This is the power of an inspirational person. They have a presence that gets the most out of not only themselves, but everyone around them. All of the greatest leaders in history share this trait. So no, it’s definitely not hyperbole.
Luttrell then goes on to talk about David’s toughness to add to his already impressive skillset:
“My favorite one [story about David’s toughness] was when they took his shoes off during one of his races. He was bleeding through his toenails. And someone said, ‘That’s like hamburger down there. You probably gotta be in a lot of pain. You should quit.’ He’s like, ‘Why would pain make me quit?’”
Why the World Needs Tough People Like Willink and Goggins
People like Willink and Goggins don’t come around often, and Joe explains why people like these guys are an essential part of a team:
“You need the guys like that. You want [guys who] get up at 4:30 in the morning and put themselves through hell. Jocko’s listening to metal at 4:30 in the morning and he’s doing dips and muscle ups. Dude we need those guys.”